The Trust Survey

[Westgate Wanderer]

There's more popular sites than Shrimpsvoices?? I'm shocked!

[Hodgie1978]

Also 1920union are on Instagram apparently lol

[Billy bodger]

I don't see a different outcome on a rerun of the vote on if the Shrimps Trust should back the NAPM campaign without proper information being distributed and a proper good debate about the pro’s and con’s.

What I would say is that is a shame because if the Shrimps Trust members did in-fact vote in favour of supporting the NAPM campaign it will give it legitimacy.

I’m sure some individual members will still go and that’s their prerogative, it is not easy to go against your natural instincts and turn up watching your team, it’s understandable and no one should knock them.

We are though as a Club, in a perilous place, we have been dragged into it by our owner. Everything that has happened can be linked to him putting the Club up for sale, valuing it too high and since then being reluctant to fund the Club at a decent level. (Is there anybody who would argue with that? It’s like a before and after, he bought in and to be fair we got promoted but as soon as he wanted out, DECLINE!!) and he is not the one to get us out of it.

Does anyone believe he can fund us properly next season?

It’s between a rock and a hard place we are in and that is a crying shame.

[Andy D]

I don't see a different outcome on a rerun of the vote on if the Shrimps Trust should back the NAPM campaign without proper information being distributed and a proper good debate about the pro’s and con’s.

What I would say is that is a shame because if the Shrimps Trust members did in-fact vote in favour of supporting the NAPM campaign it will give it legitimacy.

I’m sure some individual members will still go and that’s their prerogative, it is not easy to go against your natural instincts and turn up watching your team, it’s understandable and no one should knock them.

We are though as a Club, in a perilous place, we have been dragged into it by our owner. Everything that has happened can be linked to him putting the Club up for sale, valuing it too high and since then being reluctant to fund the Club at a decent level. (Is there anybody who would argue with that? It’s like a before and after, he bought in and to be fair we got promoted but as soon as he wanted out, DECLINE!!) and he is not the one to get us out of it.

Does anyone believe he can fund us properly next season?

It’s between a rock and a hard place we are in and that is a crying shame.

We've done to much talking, time for action

[Keith]

It’s between a rock and a hard place we are in and that is a crying shame.

Absolutely.

People have to choose the least worst option, because there are no good options.

Carry on as we have been, even though the evidence of the last few seasons is, this is destroying the club.

or...

Do something that will hurt us all, knowing that it may well destroy the club.

Personally, I think the 'carry on as before' guarantees we go out of business, while the 'do something' option MAY have a positive impact. But, I fully understand why some [many] fans will have a different view.

[sandgrown]

I'd like to know what Rod would advise ?

[marky No.1]

I'd like to know what Rod would advise ?

The narrative from above has always been that the income goes towards the daily running of the Club and staff wages, without it the Club won't function

On the flip side the Club is also signed up to significant loan payments which have to be paid from the 'income' even tho we are told that the owner can't get his hands on it.

Catch 22, 23, 24 and 25

[Keith]

I'd like to know what Rod would advise ?

Legally, Rod would have to advise against a 'Not a Penny More' campaign, because a Director is legally obliged to put the business first, so maximising income would be key. He may genuinely fall on that side, that the best thing for the club is to carry on as usual.

But, I'd expect that he also understands the frustrations and anger of fans, and recognise that the only power we have is withholding our money.

I'm amazed the Board have carried on, especially after the public statement criticising Whittingham. Perhaps we need a 'Not a Penny More' and mass resignation of the Board to really bring things to a head? They could be reinstated under a new owner?

[redrobo]

Just can't contemplate the thought of the BoDs resigning on mass after all the hard work they have and continue to do to keep our and their club going.

They along with fans are the backbone of our club irrespective of any owner at any given time.

[Keith]

Just can't contemplate the thought of the BoDs resigning on mass after all the hard work they have and continue to do to keep our and their club going.

They along with fans are the backbone of our club irrespective of any owner at any given time.

Can't contemplate the club going out of business, but that's the way we're going.

[redrobo]

Just can't contemplate the thought of the BoDs resigning on mass after all the hard work they have and continue to do to keep our and their club going.

They along with fans are the backbone of our club irrespective of any owner at any given time.

Can't contemplate the club going out of business, but that's the way we're going.

Any chance you can be a wee bit more cheerful? I know it's difficult but try eh...

[Keith]

Any chance you can be a wee bit more cheerful? I know it's difficult but try eh...

Give me something to be positive about. If there isn't a 'Not a Penny More' campaign, and we all continue as we have this season and last...

HOW DO YOU SEE IT PANNING OUT?

In your opinion, with no campaign, what will happen next season and why?

[redrobo]

Any chance you can be a wee bit more cheerful? I know it's difficult but try eh...

Give me something to be positive about. If there isn't a 'Not a Penny More' campaign, and we all continue as we have this season and last...

HOW DO YOU SEE IT PANNING OUT?

In your opinion, with no campaign, what will happen next season and why?

It's going to be difficult that's for sure even if and when the owner goes, but to be so bloody gloomy now before any new season ahs kicked off if silly.

I'm sorry but I simply do not get the mindset of those who will back the NAPM shambles. Are you and those of like mind really prepared to put a final nail in the coffin of OUR club.

This coming close season OUR club will need all the finance it can get and those who support this bloody stupid campaign are contributing to the demise of mine and your club.

We will NEVER agree on this subject but I and the majority of fans young and old see no sense in the action which I wager will have zero effect on the current owner.

[Keith]

Any chance you can be a wee bit more cheerful? I know it's difficult but try eh...

Give me something to be positive about. If there isn't a 'Not a Penny More' campaign, and we all continue as we have this season and last...

HOW DO YOU SEE IT PANNING OUT?

In your opinion, with no campaign, what will happen next season and why?

It's going to be difficult that's for sure even if and when the owner goes, but to be so bloody gloomy now before any new season ahs kicked off if silly.

I'm sorry but I simply do not get the mindset of those who will back the NAPM shambles. Are you and those of like mind really prepared to put a final nail in the coffin of OUR club.

This coming close season OUR club will need all the finance it can get and those who support this bloody stupid campaign are contributing to the demise of mine and your club.

We will NEVER agree on this subject but I and the majority of fans young and old see no sense in the action which I wager will have zero effect on the current owner.

But, you never answer the question...

WITHOUT A NOT A PENNY MORE , WHAT WILL HAPPEN???

It isn't the NaPM campaign that is the final nail in the coffin, it is the ongoing ownership debacle. We're going under with or without the campaign, this gives us some chance of forcing him out, some [slight] chance of surviving.

If we thought more of the same would result in a different outcome, no-one would call for this campaign, but those of us who support NaPM believe more of the same will result in us going down further anyway.

Convince me otherwise, give me hope. Keep supporting the club and suddenly Whittingham will sort everything for us...

[redrobo]

'WAPM'.....will have zero effect on the owner.

The only thing it will do is make financial matters going forward even worse.

Fans should support a club through the good times as well as the bad times.....and these are for sure the very bad of times.

You ask what will happen....those of a like mind as you will be guilty of contributing to the club being in even a worse financial mess.

I admit that I don't have an alternative.....but I simply believe that the owner will not give any notice of any campaign as he has continued to do for the last 2 years or so. So I will continue to my annual purchase of a season ticket and support my team and the BoDs both on and off the field in what ever way I can.

The only positive for me at this moment of sheer depression is that the sale of our club I firmly believe is nearer than it has ever been.

[Keith]

'WAPM'.....will have zero effect on the owner.

The only thing it will do is make financial matters going forward even worse.

Fans should support a club through the good times as well as the bad times.....and these are for sure the very bad of times.

You ask what will happen....those of a like mind as you will be guilty of contributing to the club being in even a worse financial mess.

I admit that I don't have an alternative.....but I simply believe that the owner will not give any notice of any campaign as he has continued to do for the last 2 years or so. So I will continue to my annual purchase of a season ticket and support my team and the BoDs both on and off the field in what ever way I can.

The only positive for me at this moment of sheer depression is that the sale of our club I firmly believe is nearer than it has ever been.

You don't have an alternative, beyond 'carry on as before until we die'. And be beyond any doubt, WE WILL DIE.

You are supporting a slightly slower death. Do you think, even with fans carrying on, the club can survive in National League North?

As I said elsewhere, a Not a Penny More campaign forced Oyston out of Blackpool. Not a Penny More may not make a difference, but it MIGHT help to force Whittingham's hand. In my opinion, that is the only hope. Carrying on, hoping for something to suddenly change, is deluded at best. Maddness more like.

We're going bust. The difference of opinion, is when?

Don't forget, IF a sale happens, the campaign stops immediately.

[Billy bodger]

'WAPM'.....will have zero effect on the owner.

The only thing it will do is make financial matters going forward even worse.

Fans should support a club through the good times as well as the bad times.....and these are for sure the very bad of times.

You ask what will happen....those of a like mind as you will be guilty of contributing to the club being in even a worse financial mess.

I admit that I don't have an alternative.....but I simply believe that the owner will not give any notice of any campaign as he has continued to do for the last 2 years or so. So I will continue to my annual purchase of a season ticket and support my team and the BoDs both on and off the field in what ever way I can.

The only positive for me at this moment of sheer depression is that the sale of our club I firmly believe is nearer than it has ever been.

[Billy bodger]

[quote="redrobo"]'WAPM'.....will have zero effect on the owner.

The only thing it will do is make financial matters going forward even worse.

Fans should support a club through the good times as well as the bad times.....and these are for sure the very bad of times.

You ask what will happen....those of a like mind as you will be guilty of contributing to the club being in even a worse financial mess.

[black morse]

'WAPM'.....will have zero effect on the owner.

The only thing it will do is make financial matters going forward even worse.

Fans should support a club through the good times as well as the bad times.....and these are for sure the very bad of times.

You ask what will happen....those of a like mind as you will be guilty of contributing to the club being in even a worse financial mess.

I admit that I don't have an alternative.....but I simply believe that the owner will not give any notice of any campaign as he has continued to do for the last 2 years or so. So I will continue to my annual purchase of a season ticket and support my team and the BoDs both on and off the field in what ever way I can.

The only positive for me at this moment of sheer depression is that the sale of our club I firmly believe is nearer than it has ever been.

On what grounds do you 'firmly believe' that? Seems to me that you just have blind faith that everything will turn out OK if we just keep supporting the club. I honestly hope you're right because if the sale is near there is no need for NAPM. I wish I lived in a dream world where everything comes good in the end and "we all lived happily ever after".

[Billy bodger]

Redrobbo, yes you can have your beliefs, others will be have different thoughts. We can blame each other in how things pan out in the future, but if you want to help a stay away owner who is unable to fund a football club while taking money out of the Club that’s fine. If on the other hand if you have had enough of the lies and false dawns joining the NAPM campaign is no thing a fan should contemplate, never mind do, but enough is enough.

I say each to their own, as I have already posted, we as fans have a grave choice, nobody’s right, nobody’s wrong, we are all stuck between a rock and a hard place in what we as individuals should do.

I do think in all our hearts we all believe the top and bottom of it is it’s all down to the owner since he put us up for sale, please let’s all agree on that.

If you want to support the Club while Whittingham is still the owner, that’s fine, completely fine.

If you want to wait till a new owner is insitu that’s fine completely fine.